Post Malone Heads to Trial in Lawsuit Filed By Artist Who Claims He Co-Wrote Smash Hit ‘Circles’
Tyler Armes says he and Posty wrote the song during an all-night jam session in 2018. The star's lawyers say he's just seeking an "unearned windfall."
When musician Tyler Armes first heard Post Malone’s “Circles” in 2019, he claims he immediately texted Dre London, Post’s manager. In the texts, Armes claimed he had been in the studio on the August 2018 night the song had come together – and that he believed he had played a key role in creating it.
“I was not just someone hanging out in the room,” Armes texted, according to later legal documents. “I was part of the writing process. The entire song (minus the lyrics other than ‘circles’) was laid down that night with the 3 of us in the room together, working together.” A few days later, London allegedly responded: “Just showed Posty the message. He said he remembers. U played a tune on the bass then he played more of it after.”
“Circles” later became a smash hit. The song, backed by sunny acoustic guitars, swirling percussion and infectious melodies, reached the top spot on the Billboard Hot 100 for three consecutive weeks in November 2019 before ultimately spending 61 weeks on the chart.
But now, four years after those texts, Armes and Post are headed to a Los Angeles federal courthouse this week for a closely watched jury trial over that fateful night. Expected to feature testimony from the star himself, the trial will pose tricky questions to jurors about who’s technically in charge during a studio jam session and who exactly gets the resulting songwriting credits.
Lawyers for Armes say he clearly did enough to own part of the copyright to “Circles” and that Post’s “bad faith refusal” to grant him credit has severely harmed his music career. Post’s lawyers, meanwhile, say the allegations are “utterly baseless” – and that Armes is just the latest plaintiff to “come out of the woodwork” seeking an “unearned windfall” from a hit song.
Armes, best known as a member of the Canadian rap-rock band Down With Webster, filed his lawsuit in April 2020, seeking a ruling that he was the rightful co-creator of “Circles.” In addition to naming Post (aka Austin Richard Post) as a defendant, the lawsuit also named “Circles” collaborator Frank Dukes and Universal Music Group.
In his complaint, Armes claimed he had gone to the studio that night at the urging of Post’s people and that Post at one point had said explicitly: “Let’s write a tune!”
“From approximately 2:00 a.m. on August 8, 2018, until 9:00 a.m. that morning, Armes, Post and Dukes worked together in the studio,” his lawyers wrote in their complaint. “Armes and Dukes co-wrote the chords for the song on the keyboard, and Armes co-wrote and had significant input in the bassline for the song. Armes also had input on the guitar parts in the song, including co-writing the guitar melody which is played in the introduction to the song and which repeats throughout the song.”
After the song was released and Armes reached out, he says Post offered to give him a 5% share of the publishing royalties. But when he tried to negotiate for a better deal, he says the star’s people revoked the offer and refused to give him anything.
“Defendants’ refusal to credit Armes … has resulted in significant harm to Armes’ reputation, career and cost him a host of opportunities,” his lawyer wrote. “Songwriters and composers work their entire lives to create a commercially successful and critically acclaimed song like [“Circles”].”
Read Armes’ entire complaint here.
On the same day that Armes filed his lawsuit, Post sued him right back – asking a federal judge for a ruling that Armes “did not write or author any portion of the ‘Circles’ composition, and he is not entitled to any of the revenue from the ‘Circles’ composition.”
Post’s lawyers admitted that Armes had been in the room that night, but said he had not made any serious contributions to the song. And they pointed out that the star and other writers then held subsequent sessions in which they continued to work on the song without Armes present.
“It is an age-old story in the music business that when a song earns the type of runaway success that ‘Circles’ has garnered, an individual will come out of the woodwork to falsely claim to take credit for the song, and demand unwarranted and unearned windfall profits from the song,” Post’s lawyers wrote. “This lawsuit arises from such a story.”
In later motions seeking to end the case without a trial, Post’s attorneys argued more specifically about the “fatal flaws” in Armes’ allegations. They said his contributions to the song were merely commonplace musical building blocks like chord progressions, meaning they were not sufficiently “original” to be protected by copyright law. And they said that he had not exercised enough “control” over the studio session to count as a co-author.
“Armes admitted he had no control over whether any of his creative suggestions would be incorporated by Post and Dukes into the ‘Circles’ composition,” Post’s lawyers wrote. “Armes’s contention that because he was present for one early session while Dukes and Post were creating the ‘Circles’ composition … and because he played some instruments there and offered some verbal musical suggestions, he is entitled to joint authorship, is simply incorrect under governing law.”
Read Post’s entire argument here.
‘Shared Equal Control‘
Those arguments didn’t sway the judge. In April 2022, U.S. District Judge Otis D. Wright declined to end the case and instead sent it to trial, ruling that Armes might ultimately be able to persuade a jury that he deserved to own a piece of “Circles.”
As for the originality of Armes’s creative contributions, the judge said a jury might look beyond simple individual elements and instead analyze the song more broadly: “A reasonable juror could conclude that all three collaborators took part in these decisions and that the combination of these decisions created something that is not stock or commonplace, despite the fact that it may contain stock or otherwise uncopyrightable building blocks.”
And, just as importantly, Wright said it was unclear whether Post and Dukes had sole control over what had been included in the song.
“While Dukes may have controlled the laptop, nothing suggests that he or Post possessed any special veto or decision-making power that Armes did not,” Wright wrote in his ruling. “Armes’s evidence, if credited, supports the finding that the three musicians shared equal control in the session, making nonhierarchical contributions to a unitary whole.”
Read Judge Wright’s entire decision here.
‘Make Swiss Cheese of Copyrights‘
Ahead of the upcoming trial, Post’s attorneys have sharply disputed one unusual aspect of Wright’s ruling last year.
In the decision, Wright said the upcoming trial would technically only deal with the ownership of an unfinished “session” song created that August night and not with the final “commercial” version of “Circles.” But he stressed that a verdict for Armes would still entitle him to substantial royalties from the hit song, since the final version was based on that earlier jam session tune.
A month later, Post’s lawyers argued that Wright’s approach was simply not how the creation of a copyrighted work is supposed to be analyzed. A final song is a final song, they said, and any earlier versions are merely part of the artistic process – not their own copyrighted creations.
“Splintering a single, final integrated work into many different ‘works’ at its various stages of creation would impermissibly make Swiss cheese of copyrights,” Post’s lawyers wrote, quoting from a legal precedent that used that analogy. “Characterizing a single musical composition as derivative of its successive writing sessions preceding its final form raises the specter of an endless series of derivative works within one song.”
Lawyers for Armes argued back that Wright’s approach was just fine, and Wright later brushed aside such critiques. But the “Swiss cheese” issue could very well arise again in the courthouse during the trial – and, if Post loses, will almost certainly serve as a key avenue for him to challenge the verdict at a federal appeals court.
The Courtroom Fight Ahead
The trial, taking place at the U.S. federal courthouse in downtown Los Angeles, will kick off with jury selection on Tuesday (March 21) morning. It’s expected to run for four days, meaning a verdict could arrive on Friday (March 24) or early next week.
Though a witness list hasn’t been published, it will likely include Armes, London, Dukes and various others involved in the events of the case, who will testify about what they recall from the session and the days surrounding it. Both sides will also call expert witnesses to testify about complicated technical questions regarding music and industry practices.
Post himself will also be there. In August 2022, during back-and-forth over potential trial dates, his lawyers confirmed that star will take the witness stand to help defeat Armes’ allegations: “He fully intends to appear to refute plaintiff’s claims.”
The star will be represented by David A. Steinberg, Gabriella N. Ismaj, Christine Lepera and Jeffrey M. Movit of the law firm Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, an elite music litigation team whose members have defended Katy Perry, Dua Lipa, Jay-Z and other stars in similar cases.
Armes will be repped by Allison S. Hart and Kelsey J. Leeker from the law firm Lavely & Singer, a well-known Hollywood litigation boutique that has represented a slew of A-listers in defamation cases, contract disputes and other legal battles.