Taylor Swift is nothing if not ambitious — so it makes sense that even though she’d already won the coveted Album of the Year Grammy (for Fearless, in 2010), she was still upset when she didn’t win for Red in 2014.
“When they announced the Album Of The Year winner,” Swift says in a new interview for Grammy Pro, “it was like, ‘And the album of the year goes to…Reeeeeandom Access Memories, Daft Punk! And they really dragged out the ‘reeee.’ And for a second there, I kind of thought we had it, and we didn’t. I remember not going to after-parties, I went home and I cried a little bit, and I got In-N-Out Burger and ate a lot.”
Swift also talks about how she decided that night that 1989 would be a full-on pop album — resulting in “like a dozen sit-downs” with her record label, who were reluctant to allow her to abandon her country princess crown. Then she dives into individual songs on the record, talking about how “Blank Space” was inspired by the media’s mockery of her love life, and playing the now-infamous “voice memos” rough version.
Watch Swift’s full interview below to learn more about the nitty-gritty process behind 1989.