I have to tell you something that will stay in my mind until the day that I die. So, I had two different events scheduled with Hillary. They were far away from each other, and I thought I'd get a hotel room in the middle so I could go to both of them and it wouldn't be such a hard trip. So, I'm sitting in this little hotel and I'm putting my makeup on with the TV on. Then, all of the sudden, the reporter for the local station is talking and they pan over to this huge empty lot. There were so many men in camouflage with semi-automatic weapons shooting at these targets. The reporter walked up to them and asked them what they were doing out there. One of them said, 'We are preparing for when Hillary Comes to take our weapons.' It stopped me in my tracks and I thought, 'I guess I haven't understood or been around wherever this is going on.' I've known Hillary for quite a long time. She's smart, inquisitive, always learning and tough as nails. She knows more about government than most presidents. But she's also kind of a girly girl, too. I think she never showed that part of herself because she said to me one time, 'If there's an invasion or something horrible happens, people need to know that I'm tough and strong and a lot of times subtleties confuse things and cloud the issues.'
What do you think of the new wave of Democrats, especially Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
That kind of activism is what's necessary. It can't be just young people where this is their first time at the rodeo though. It has to be a combination of the wisdom and the youth for their energy. We're not best friends, but I know Nancy Pelosi and I know that she is holding the reins to try and keep everybody together. But they need to ratchet it up a little bit. I don't agree with everything, but I think that the baseline of AOC is a big part of this new movement. But she needs to work in concert with Nancy because Nancy has so much knowledge and Nancy is tough. Going left is fine, but it has to be in degrees so that the people who are centrist can think that sounds good or it isn't so radical. We have to bring everybody along and not drag or pull them along. You have to understand and guide them so they can say, 'I get that. I'm not afraid of that.' I think Joe Biden can do that. He will need a whole new administration though. Trump has gutted everything, so it's going to take a lot of knowledgeable people to even get everything staffed up. It will take four years to even do that.
Do you think Joe Biden will be a good president?
Absolutely. I like Joe. I've known Joe for a long, long, long time. I had a meeting once with him and I thought, 'You know what? This is an honest man.' It was way before he was with Barack Obama. We had a conversation and he was so painfully honest. At the end of it, I said, 'You know, Joe? You can trust me, I'm taking things to my grave, but if I ask you a question and you answer it so honestly, you're safe with me.' Then I saw the pictures in his office and I said, 'Oh my God, such beautiful children and your wife is so pretty' — and it was his wife and daughter who had died. I was like, 'O.K. Cher. Insert foot in mouth.' But he was just so great about it. You know, everybody's got faults, but at least he has a soul and he understands pain. He's also been a politician for a gazillion years. I think he still has got it or I wouldn't vote. I'm actually registered as an independent. It means I don't agree with everybody, but in the final analysis, you have to vote for the one side you hate the least.
Do you think things will turn out for the better?
I hope they do. As much as I dislike Trump — and dislike doesn't even come anywhere near to what I feel about him — if I thought that he was really interested in people and came up with something to help, I would give him some props, even though I think he would have nothing to do with it. If his administration would start saving lives, I'd back off for awhile.
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