Catching up on all the years that have passed since they last talked, Stern wondered if Perry ever feels like she's missed out on going to college after spending most of her life in the music business. "One of my life goals is to go to Oxford College and continue my education," said Perry, who has been making music in some form or another since she was nine, which stopped her from continuing her education. And though she doesn't feel like she's missed out, she "super duper" wants to further he education and study psychology and philosophy at some point.
A large portion of the chat centered on mental health and Perry's emergence from a crippling depression several years ago, which included medication, meditation and a trip with Bloom to the Hoffman Institute for an intensive week-long retreat focused on transformation and healing. "This record has been interesting to put out because its during these Loony Tunes times, it’s during a pandemic, a racial revolution, an election year and I'm delivering a baby at the same time," Perry said, none of which she had originally planned on, with the album originally targeted for an early summer release.
After pivoting to record an album filled with hope and resilience following a period of clinical depression brought on by her feelings of failure about 2017's more serious Witness album, Perry said she got out of the loop of being a "desperate, thirsty" pop star who needed to be No. 1 all the time. She hit upon the image of a clown -- which she portrays on the album's cover -- because she remembered that her music has always had a playful side that somehow got lost in the sauce. "A smile is such an indiction of mental health, a physical alert of your mental health," she said, recalling a time when she couldn't get out of bed for weeks and felt ashamed for being on medication to sooth her depression.
"I was like, 'I wrote 'Firework!'" she joked, describing how she'd "sprained" her brain after working too hard, not meeting her expectations and breaking up with Bloom for a while. In fact, she noted, Bloom is the "only one" who can handle her dark moods. "I showed him all of it and he still shows up and he's not phased by it," she said. "That's why he's perfect, because I'm a lot."
Another dim memory that she excised during that period was her feud with Taylor Swift, which Perry said she was glad got quashed in public so that the two successful, confident women could display an example of redemption for young girls. "It's hard for young girls grown up, [with] cliques and high school and pettiness and all that stuff, so now we're super friendly and I've always wanted the best for her and we can talk about the best we want for each other," she said.
Stern also asked Perry who she's quarantining with during the lockdown. Hunkered down with her sister and brother, their kids and her parents, Perry adamantly said they are all "mask believers," adding that covering up as recommended by the CDC is "one of those basic kindness things you can do." The bottom line is that the Perry clan is having a lot of outdoors, socially distanced dinners and masked-up trips to the grocery store these days.
Perry also shouted out fellow music star mom-to-be, Nicki Minaj, who announced that she's expecting her first child, noting that they're social media pals and she has an on-the-spot remix idea for her collab with Nicki, "Swish, Swish," that's more appropriate right now. "I thought a good version of this song now would be 'Push, Push Bish.'"
Meanwhile, Perry took to Instagram to share a new pic of her baring her baby bump in a Smile crop top. Check it out below.