The question, of course, posed by interviewer Roxane Gay, is what now? For Madonna, the answer is to keep doing what she's been doing: be more vocal, and less mysterious. "What I find really astonishing is how quiet everybody is in my industry," she said of her entertainment peers, not naming names. "I mean, nobody in the entertainment business except for maybe a handful of people ever speak out about what's going on. Nobody takes a political stance or expresses an opinion.
"They want to maintain a neutral position so they can maintain their popularity. I mean, if you have an opinion and people disagree with you, you might not get a job. You might be blacklisted. You might have fewer followers on Instagram. There are any number of things that would be detrimental to your career. Everyone's really afraid. Because it doesn't affect their daily life yet, no one's doing anything about it."
The interview also touched on Madonna's upcoming role as co-producer and director of the adaptation of Andrew Sean Greer's novel The Impossible Lives of Greta Wells, which imagines Greta's relationship with her gay twin brother, Felix, across three different lives she could have lived. "It touches on a lot of really important topics I've always been interested in or championed -- fighting for women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, always fighting for the underdog," she said. "I've always felt oppressed. I know a lot of people would go, 'Oh, that's ridiculous for you to say that. You're a successful white, wealthy pop star,' but I've had the sh-- kicked out of me my entire career, and a large part of that is because I'm female and also because I refuse to live a conventional life."
Right now, she said, more than ever, "it's an extremely timely story to tell." Because, believe it or take your head out of the sand, even after decades of success on the concert stage, screen and charts, for some reason people are still asking Madonna why she doesn't just hang it up.
"It's inexplicable; it's like breathing, and I can't imagine not doing it," she said of her relentless artistic drive. "That is one of the arguments I would get into with my ex-husband, who used to say to me, 'But why do you have to do this again? Why do you have to make another record? Why do you have to go on tour? Why do you have to make a movie?' And I'm like, 'Why do I have to explain myself?' I feel like that's a very sexist thing to say... I'll stop doing everything that I do when I don't want to do it anymore. I'll stop when I run out of ideas. I'll stop when you f---ing kill me. How about that?"
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