Latin Grammys 2018

Soul Sisters Podcast: Phoebe Ryan on Why 'You Gotta Destroy It to Enjoy It'

Aaron Richter
Phoebe Ryan photographed at the Billboard Hot 100 Music Festival at Northwell Health at Jones Beach Theater on Aug. 19, 2017 in Wantagh, New York.

Phoebe Ryan isn't precious about holding onto things that aren't working. From her new single "Forgetting All About You" featuring Blackbear, to her life motto "Destroy it to enjoy it," to her fresh approach to songwriting (be it for Usher or Britney Spears), Ryan is always looking for the bigger picture.

"Break-ups in general are somewhat boring to me," she says about finding inspiration for her music. "I think it's more interesting to talk about ideas than specifics. Specifics are what you talk about with your therapist."

Soul Sisters Podcast: pronoun Finds Inspiration On the Tinder Screen

Listen to her episode of Soul Sisters as she tells hosts Jessie Katz and Darah Golub how she went from being a "real nerd" in high school who was "super into Shakespeare" to becoming one of the hottest pop singer/songwriters in the business - and who'll be embarking on a headlining tour this November. (She also indulges Jessie in playing her new favorite game: "F--k it or Bucket." You don't want to miss it.)