Jay Z Testifies at 'Big Pimpin' Trial: 'I Didn't Know There Was a Sample'
In Egyptian law, the right to reproduce copyrighted works is the “economic right” to the work licensable to others. The “moral right’ is the original author’s right to give permission for -- or reject -- works derived from the original. It’s a non-transferrable right.
Fahmy filed in 2007 claiming regardless of whether Jay Z and his producer obtained the “economic” rights for the sample, they never received permission to edit “Khosara Khosarsa” from Hamdi’s heirs.
In the eight years since, Fahmy has argued Jay Z could not dodge the requirement for Hamdi’s heirs’ permission despite obtaining the “economic rights” from EMI Arabia, which had obtained them from the Middle Eastern label Sout El Phan, which in turn obtained them from Hamdi’s family.
Sout El Phan never had the right to license derivative works without the heirs' permission, the plaintiff contends, so Sout El Phan could never confer the right on EMI Arabia.
The trial opened Tuesday in Los Angeles. Timbaland and Jay Z testified Wednesday, covering the production of “Big Pimpin,’” the influence of the song on their careers and deal with EMI Arabia in 2001 they thought transferred them the rights to “Khosara Khosara.”
In testimony Thursday, Chris Ancliff, who was counsel for EMI Arabia at the time “Big Pimpin’” was released,explained why he thinks Jay Z and Timbaland are in the clear.
He noted EMI’s deal with Sout El Phan transferred the “Khosara Khosara” rights for everywhere outside Egypt. The contract further specified English law would apply to disputes over its implementation.
Therefore, he testified, EMI’s deal with Jay Z and Timbaland in 2001 gave them the right to include “Khosara Khosara” in “Big Pimpin’” forever, everywhere outside Egypt.
Ancliff said he understood Egyptian “moral rights,” but thinks they only could be invoked in Egyptian court. “We were not transferring rights for Egypt, so we were not concerned,” he said.
The defendants’ expert Walid Farhad, a lawyer who represents Middle Eastern record companies, said the rights Hamdi’s family signed over to Sout El Phan included the right to produce derivative works. It’s the “economic right” of “adaptation” under Egyptian law, said Farhad, and it covers Jay Z’s use of “Khosara Khosara.”
“The right to sample is an economic right?” the defendants’ attorney David Steinberg inquired.
“Definitely,” said Farhad.
Jay Z Attends First Day of 'Big Pimpin' Trial
He said Hamdi’s family’s deal with Sout El Phan in 2002 did not remove from the family their “moral rights.” Like Ancliff, he just said they only could exercise the rights over Egyptian works.
“There’s nothing in Egyptian law to [indicate] the obligation to go back to the author to get permission to use those [adaptation] rights in the United States?” asked Steinberg.
“No,” said Farhad.
The trial will continue Friday. Representatives from other defendants, including Universal Music Group and MTV are expected to testify.
This article originally appeared in THR.com.